Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser is legendary in our activity, but how did it all begin?  Dr. Tim is well known for his great work with student leadership seminars, teacher inservice workshops, and convention speaking engagements focusing on the area of effective leadership training.  According to his website, after thirty-plus years of clinic presentations, some three millions students have experience one of his popular sessions.  Dr. Tim is joined by Gary Rupert of  LCL Mentors.  Gary is a long-time friend of Tim’s and was there when it all started.  Hear helpful advice we can all used, in the framework of interesting stories from his early career!